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Post subject: Naked Portafilter doesn't fit!!
 Posted: Apr 10, 2006 - 04:23 PM
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I have a question , (thought DaveC might be able to help!)
When I bought my Andreja I was told ABSOLUTELY CATEGORICALLY (by Gary at BB) that the group head was a real Faema E61, not a copy but the genuine article. It turns out that this is not the case as the portafilter for the E61 doesnt fit.
The "lugs" that hold the PF in the grouphead are far too thick and without changing the gasket there is no way it's going to fit in the group.
Does anyone know anyone who has an Andreja bought from Chris Coffee who has bought a naked PF that actually fits??
Are all Andrejas the same or are the ones we are getting here different formt he ones that Chris Coffee gets?
I'm very curious and need to decide how to proceed with this!!  |
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Posted: Apr 10, 2006 - 04:33 PM
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Lee,
There are all kinds of tolerances involved here. But it might be useful if we had a little more info. By "does not fit" what do you mean precisely? Do the lugs lock in to place at all? Have you tried an E61 PF manufactured by a different source? Have you tried different pf baskets? All of these elements can have an effect. If anything, this kind of complaint should really be directed at manufacturers and not the suppliers who on the whole are decent people and do their best to give us quality equipment at fair prices (at least those I deal with). So please do give us a little more info and we'll all do our best to help.
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[Edit] I might add, I recently changed my gasket with for a slightly more malleable rubber. It was easy to do and has allowed me to use a variety of different PFs and baskets. |
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Posted: Apr 10, 2006 - 04:41 PM
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Absolutely agree, Dom, which is why I'm trying to gather more info!
I have spoken to the four legged one of a happy disposition (unlike me!), who tells me that if I change the gasket the PF will fit, but that if it was a genuine E61 it should fit without needing to change the gasket.
At present there is no way it will fit WITHOUT changing the gasket, the "lugs" won't get anywhere near the group head being way thicker than the ones on my PFs.
I will take my naked PF to work tomorrow and try it in the Faema E61 machine there and see what happens!!!
I'm not trying to make a problem for anyone, but as you can imagine am a little discombobulated  |
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Posted: Apr 10, 2006 - 04:44 PM
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| I was not in anyway trying to impugne the character of anyone, and thought that maybe BB don't know that it's not (if infact it's not) the genuine article!!! |
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Posted: Apr 10, 2006 - 04:50 PM
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Entirely understand your frustration.
Whilst I noticed that the lugs on my naked PF were quite a bit thicker than my stock rancilio, both fit and the biggest difference seemed to be the basket I used. Try whatever other baskets you have in your naked PF just to see what fits and what doesn't (and let us know). As I'm sure you appreciate, it is not always easy to make suggestions - and the obvious has to be addressed - when trying to resolve these problems without seeing them for oneself.
I would also suggest that the group itself is probably a far more precisely manufactured part than the gasket and that in fact it may just be the gasket that needs changing. Or, that the chroming on the PF is too thick (I doubt these things are measured or tested).
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Posted: Apr 10, 2006 - 05:00 PM
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Apparently they all come with a standard 9.5mm gasket, and Scott said that is why they send the 8mm gasket now as they have had this problem with a few machines including (I think it was) an Izzo Vivi also coincidentally (?) from BB. See previous posts from a few weeks ago.
I have tried my double basket in the PF and no luck, there is a significant difference in the thickness of the lugs on the PF. I've just taken a couple of piccies which I'll upload in a mo. |
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Posted: Apr 10, 2006 - 05:45 PM
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| I had the same thing on my VBM - although I heard that is was a "real E61" as well. I changed it and it works fine, by the way. |
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Posted: Apr 10, 2006 - 05:51 PM
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| So Raf, do you think that the group head in your machine is not a genuine E61? I know that Faema licensed the group head a while ago for others to manufacture, but shouldn't it be made clear when it's the original and when a copy? |
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Posted: Apr 10, 2006 - 06:11 PM
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Okay, I'm gonna try to upload some photos,
Patience please, this new fangled elastic wizardry is quite beyond my ken sometimes...
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Posted: Apr 10, 2006 - 07:11 PM
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I had that too...
Jumper was so kind to make me a naked PF which fitted my VBM and the Faema at work perfectly...
However it did not fit into the Marzocco at our other shop...
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Apparently they all come with a standard 9.5mm gasket, and Scott said that is why they send the 8mm gasket now
But then your original PF will fall out, won't it...? |
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Posted: Apr 10, 2006 - 07:22 PM
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This is what happened to me with my Vivi from BB. Scott sent me some replacement 8mm gasket and the naked PF now fits perfectly. Strangely though the gasket I took out was marked 8.5, it's amazing (to me at least) how much difference that 0.5mm makes. The only drawback is that the portafilters that came with my Vivi now lock in place at around 4 o'clock (previously they locked at about 7 o'clock). However I have a La Marzocco PF that fits properly now too, or at least marginally to the right of 6 o'clock. (it also takes the triple basket  )
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Posted: Apr 10, 2006 - 07:27 PM
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hmmmm,
there's a big old difference in the size of the lugs, must have some effect!
not sure what to do...
I have the 8mm gasket, but won't fit it til I have more info! |
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Posted: Apr 10, 2006 - 07:28 PM
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| The problem is there isn't an easy way to remove the old gasket without destroying it. |
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Posted: Apr 10, 2006 - 07:34 PM
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| That was the impression I got, "just lever it out with a small screw driver doesn't seem likely to leave me with a useful gasket!!! |
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Posted: Apr 10, 2006 - 07:51 PM
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| I used a small wood screw which I screwed firmly into the gasket and then used a pair of pliers to yank the gasket and screen out. On the plus side though, having done it once it gives you the confidence to be abe to do it again... |
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